What makes these two giants stand above the rest in their own fields and philosophical thinking is their solid comprehension of biology and biological concepts. More people should study biology fundamentals to have a clearer picture of reality and life.

Trump did win. I can't believe you think he lost.

we can feel the passion in that discussion , it was a great exchange.

Well I really appreciate Gaad. But in fact his views on how people should live in the West seem far less conservative to me than the views of Jordan Peterson and many of his followers.

I'm sorry Jordan, but Trump only had 3 lawsuits active post election. The rest were from other parties. A large plurality of those rulings were dismissed on standing without taking any evidence into account. I love everything you do, but I'm sorry to say , you're completely wrong about this specific issue.

Oh my Gaaaaad. Mind blowing discussion. 🤯 amazing!!

Am I the only one who enjoyed the way Dr Peterson started to sound like C3PO, on and off, around the halfway mark?

Love the classical music at the beginning.

I've always thought illogical views in logical areas is down to pure Tribalism. You see this not only in Politics, but also in sports, technology(phones/ games consoles) and various other brand-relared things. So I think this goes way back, when we were organised into tribes. Obviously, we've moved on from this approach, but I think people unconsciously fall into this. If you look across the Internet, this is rife, everywhere.

Is the Fundamental Attribution Error principle that JBP and GS talk about on this video (@ 59 min) proportionally or equivalent to what we call "Ego"?

And is this why the more "Egocentric" I am the more I limit myself to grow and in the opposite, the more humble I am the more I open myself to learn? Is this why the scriptures in the Bible, repeatedly call men to have a humble heart?

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I absolutely love these two, plus Gad is hilarious 😂

Gad Saad has put what so confuses and angers me into an orderly, clear masterpiece of a book. I just ordered it and can't wait to dive in. And, JBP, it is WONDERFUL to have you back in the world again. That journey is hard and my prayers are with you.

I’m always so happy to see that when gad is talking. That his joy of talking to Jordan, comes before anything else. and his knowledge and thoughts about any subject are so natural to him that his joy to speak and converse outweighs any of his thoughts or opinions

Dr peterson, you no doubt spent years believing that all physicians were competent, that all psychiatric drugs were beneficial and prescribed and managed wisely. It turns out an entire field of medicine, was corrupted and most people in it don’t know, maybe you should listen to Robert Barnes lawyer at locals to get a more nuanced understanding of how politics actually works in America, .

Someone please tell me why Trump is worthy of your pushing this conspiracy theory about election fraud? How was he worthy of being our president? What exactly did he do that you champion?

@G M i agree about obama. He was tokenism and played a statesman well but he did almost nothing else positive, and even worse gave people permission to hope for no reason. A good example though. True.

Could you answer the same questions about Obama?

Gad is a boss, Jordan is the goat

Phew! A big sigh of relief on my part, hearing him express deep concern over the radical conspiracy theories supporting Trump! Given his past...well, let's say what I feel is a lack of sufficient condemnation of Trump....I was worried about what I might hear him say here about him, and his support. And also, his questioning of Saad's emphasis on the "infectious ideas" of the Left rather than the Right - good! I was half expecting this chat to be yet another bagging of the far Left (which it deserves btw), but no, Peterson seems intent on keeping balance, which is excellent. Welcome back Dr Peterson!!!

12:10 obviously some strange things happened and lots of people wanted it to be thoroughly researched, I think most of these people who 'thought' that there was election fraud will eventually settle their beliefs if it turns out to not be the case, I mean, most people don't have the time to be satiate themselves with all the information available on a specific issue hence they uncritical to a certain degree, we received enough hints of election fraud, and we collectively pushed a narrative with the purpose of understanding what happened and rectify possible injustices, in the process some people exaggerate their beliefs to empower a narrative. I wouldn't really call it a "infectious idea" as long as people will be able to adapt their ideas to new information. But on the other examples, such as QAnon, I agree, low iq bullshit.

Everybody works out to different content, I found this thoroughly stimulating & enjoyable to workout with

Focus should be on the left because they are firmly within a position of power, overwhelmingly within the social/public spheres. The extreme right is always there and a threat, but at this point it seems as if they are being used more as boogeyman to push a narrative and to garner support for the left.

No the far right arent boogeymen. Perhaps the QAnon and capitol rushers, sure. I notice a big movement against socialism and a general idea that modern western socialism is just a step to communism. Covid politics have caused this additional tension. Imagine youre already against the lockdown , you cant leave your home too late or early , your freedoms constantly get infringed upon day by day by something you do not agree with AND to make matters worse you get forcefully taxed 50% so they can further enforce these totalitarian measures which work against you, your life passions and your general peaceful existence... I actually wholeheartedly agree with that myself whilst I also agree with most things said on this podcast. I think Europe is going to split in half in terms of socialism and individualism. The EU and its news syndicates feel like a totalitarian technocracy that does not have the best interests at heart of people who want to be free.

Jordan really lost it... he is incapable of understanding basic things. Trump won the election, and judges are corrupt and QAnon is a troll/dstate disinformation... nothing magical here, no eating or r*ping children, just corruption...

"If I create a world of full profundity where I appear as though I am saying something deeply profound and meaningful whereas, in reality, I am uttering a complete gibberish then maybe my pros can be as impenetrable as those hotty mathematicians." This is basically what is happening in the arts as well, including modern classical music. The discourse behind the work of music or the work of art has become more important than the work itself. :'( Some people are desperately trying to put music at the same level of science, which can turn the creative process into a nightmare. Music makes people's lives better, but not by turning it into science

Hearing these two is like getting a massage in my brain. ^_^

It's like a massage with a happy ending ☺️

Yeah it's completely absurd that a gay person wouldn't be a supporter of Zionism (sarcasm).

We're attracted to, and susceptible to, oversimplifications and reductionist theories because they're very efficient from a mental resource consumption standpoint. Reflexively thinking "male-female wage gap == patriarchy" takes a whole lot less effort than mulling over a multi-variate - but much more accurate - theory. It conserves precious mental CPU cycles. And if that same garbage reductionist theory endears us to people with whom we wish to curry favor, so much the better.

Nazi Germany was essentially left wing..controlled production, strong state...socialism of the national kind. Fighting Russia doesnt make it not true.

I bought Dr.J.Peterson's book "12 Rules for life" and love every page. Thank you.

I like Gad Saad and regard him worthy of listening to as I find his POV very human and he has an easy but complete logic for complex ideas. Rare and admirable ability. His manner is very mild and pleasant and he's even cute. He is always enlightening to listen to. I don't like how his ego interjects into his dialogue and I've caught myself placing HIM and not his thoughts in relation to other speakers. I feel he is doing this by design.

Much respect to JP I mean talk about living what you preach and comeback from great adversity and struggle. Inspiring.

My two favourite brains interacting together. Fantastic.

Much as I agree with many of Gad's ideas, Queers for Palestine seems a poor example of an irrational, "parasitic" idea at work. As I understand it, the group opposes Israel's cynical efforts to use its gay friendliness to distract from its abuse of Palestinians. It seems simple-minded to argue that gays should not criticize Israel for that because they would be better off living there rather than in the intolerant open-air prison that is Gaza. I think their position demonstrates altruism, not "parasitism". It's _Gad's_ perspective here that is irrational, in my view.

JP gets so excited when he talks about this stuff. It's good to see him smile after all the trouble he's had.

Wow!, well this is was electrifying. Very very exciting stuff. Maybe I enjoyed this a little too much.

“Epistemic swagger” Love it!

How is it that Jordan is one of the most successful intellectuals of the last few decades, yet he still manages to sound like he's sitting inside a god damn grain silo in his podcasts? Fix your audio quality, sir.

Lastly , earlier in quality interview. Re the lady in the restuarant and the dancing hyena. If she ordered a steak , say , you should have got the waiter to serve up a fish.The reaction would have been interesting.Perhaps she would have ate the fish pretending it to be a steak.Logic dictates , it would in any case have been be happily eaten , for arts sake L.O.L. That story is so bizarre , it even proves Jesus wrong - "if a son asked the father for an egg , would he have given him a scorpion" ? Maybe the post modernists , incidentally , have trawled the bible in order to invent exact opposites to create some sort of creed.Pretty dark to be franc.

Epistemology is say , a "catchment" for deriving truth.

Progressive advancement of knowledge "within" the domain ?

Re 102.05 "Jaques" lectures - and rumbling the ruse - clearly the saying "bullshit baffles brains" was a psychological construct for purpose.Who would have thought the saying wasn't simply plucked out of fresh air ? But when I first heard this saying I could guarantee right here , that it emanated from within social work training and implementation strategy.Peculiar ?

"Knowing when to deploy....sub optimal" etc. , indeed re "a problem" 54.19 - is to innately search for the "mechanical" functions.This is language relative to engineering , which of course wouldn't be of ready usage to one of a biological temperament. Therein is a clue to an answer.Indeed , to me , inherent mechanicalism has no rightful place in a human.Racehorses are conoted as "machines" sometimes.Many dislike the "applicable" term.Treating them as machines often leads to wrong handling and bad effects.Note the advancement of Ai , to be an inner application of the human body.Mechanical and biological assimilation re humans should never the Twain meet.Further , launched out ! There is a lot at stake on the march down a one way alley.

What is the make up of these pathogens ? What are they made of and how do they "ignite" ? Are they tangible in any way ? Are they manifestations of the electric ? Are they at source , chemical ? Do they work involuntarily ?

Thank you Gentlemen. If organizing thinking is like unto solving large puzzles, the conversations that orbit Dr. Peterson seem to regularly (and predictably) bestow rows of Edge Pieces; which give me hope and mental calm amidst the crashing waves of moral relativism.

Ideology: Knowing the answer to a question before it's been asked.

at 38 in, Gad talks about pathogens proliferating into Business and engineering. I do believe we are starting to see the start of that, atleast in the business side.

Feels like listening to classical music, you might not understand everything but still sounds good!!!

does the persuading associated with islamophobia also count for antisemitism?

Trump won though. Democrats are going to steal it again and are pushing voting bills so no one needs an id and universal mail in. It’s not a conspiracy it’s fact. Liberals are just as much of conspiracy theorists with Russia hoax and white supremacy being biggest threat, 75 genders and 1000s of unarmed blacks dying by cops a year. It goes both ways! I strongly disagree with pettersons take.

It doesn't take a conspiracy (in the usual sense) to explain why no court would look at the allegations surrounding the election; ideological alignment or fear of terrorism would be enough.

The earsplitting cowbell renomegaly race because decrease chronically surround unto a meaty candle. plain, willing gender

William S. Burroughs posited the notion that language was a virus long ago.

So sad to see that Jordan still clings to the institutions that seek to destroy him as though they are somehow redeemable. Denying the corruption in the elections and not critically examining the facts but rather using talking points he’s been given. The whole “I don’t know about Q” then telling people what he thinks it’s about is so anti-intellectual it took me days to accept that Jordan’s delusional in certain aspects of reality. I hope he actually puts his faith in God into practice instead of just talking about it. Maybe then he would see the objective truth regarding the globalists and their systemic infiltration and corruption of our world. Or maybe Jordan is just a closet globalist? I bought his book for a friend who loves his content but I have never learned a thing from this man other than to not live in the mind like he does because it will make you ill.

For a majority of people across the world, all different in various ways, there is a belief in the existence of a higher power in the form of a god or gods, so is this phenomenon then proof of the existence of a higher power? People recognise beauty as in the symmetry of a face but in the same way, people recognise a higher power as in the 'symmetry' in the literature written on that higher power as for example in the bible and other religious literature, which often espouse remarkably similar concepts, but that come from such different eras, cultures and languages and are often too far apart for this being simply because of any influence between them.

First time hearing Dr Saad, and I'm in love. I'm gonna buy all of his books.

I'm only a few min in, and I'm already impressed that JP is evolving his ideas and exploring it more. A true thinker, it's admirable. Touting the same argument over and over would be so boring. Evolving it is more interesting.

Fantastic!

The nazis weren't on the right. They were leftist socialists. The soviets and CCP are just even more left than the nazis, which is why they fought. All the way right is full anarchy. All the way left is full authoritarianism. Libertarians are actually "pretty far right" because we want limited government and limited taxes. Stop using post-modern definitions of the left/right paradigm developed by leftist social engineers specifically to muddy the waters. Keep it simple, silly.

I lived in the Tower of Bollingen, if you are interested on this, Jordan.

Just some thoughts while listening... While I can understand Saad's criticism of LGBT+ of people supporting the freedom of a people who typically aren't culturally welcoming to gay people, he comes across as equally generalizing both to Palestinian and LGBT+ people in his anecdote by not fleshing the thought out more -- I do realize the point of this talk isn't to discuss this topic specifically. Firstly, he didn't acknowledge that LGBT+ people can also be Palestinian and thus severely negatively impacted by both the Israeli occupation as well as Hamas, and religious and political extremism. Second, Saad doesn't address the fact that LGBT+ people, regardless of their ethnic or political affiliation, may be compassionate to the plight of the Palestinians (particularly its LGBT+ identifying people) and support their basic human rights under military occupation and threats of violence from both political states that violate their rights. Third, this doesn't touch on the complexities of the political landscape in Israel, the Israeli laws that are used to discriminate against Palestinians (as well as African Jews seeking asylum), or seek to differentiate Hamas/religious and political extremism from the Palestinian people as a whole. Generalizing that any country or its people might be wholly represented by the ideologies of some elected officials is silly. Perhaps he does this better somewhere in his publishings? I just don't believe that because a population who may be generally low in openness to gay marriage also means that they should not be deserving of human rights, dignity, or empathy regardless of who the empathy may come from.

We love you Jordan! And u too Saad! For all u out there too consumed with hate and misery to be able to appreciate these 2 gentlemen and other conversations like this...your loss

Peterson is flat out wrong about the election. Disappointed.

43:19 "Postmodernists fly buildings of bullshit into our edifices of reason." Saad 2024.

For all who are at beginning stages of their intellectual development, these two stooges serve as fine warning examples of how to get stuck in loopy patterns in thinking. The amount of self-congratulations is repulsive. It seems as though their mask of friendliness and compassion for the listeners is deceptive, since in their 'theories' about 'the postmodernist' they are approaching paranoid psychosis. 'The postmodernist' is someone who, for them, has stolen their enjoyment, and now the task is to retrieve it, to do justice. It is too bad to see them stuck in loopy patterns. Very loopy things indeed. But look at the late stages of the much maligned Jacques Lacan: major developments at very high age. But also Žižek (who absolutely beat Peterson at Toronto): over 70 and still going strong. Whereas these guys are stuck in repetition compulsions, that are unconscious in the Freudian sense.

I don’t think it’s very hard to believe that a country that drops bombs on children could be corrupt so bad that elections, judges, politicians, presidents, or anything else could be manipulated..

One of the main reasons the you can't make sense of the american right and left is the you believe that they are defined by the political lines of democrat and republican. This makes you believe that the Nazis were equivalent to the american right and republicans. What makes this hard to understand from listening to you is that you seemed to understand our consistution, which is totally incompatible with nazism and leftism., Whether there s a separate right from constitutional republicanism may be a question, but that is as much of a subset of people who fundamentally misunderstand the constitution, that they have placed themselves on the wrong side of the political isle, The truth is that the true conservatives and liberals live within the republican party. The democrats are a party of no values that merely exists to make and arguement to gain power. They use the easiest argments to win, or basically contrary positions to the republican or consttiutionalists.

gad sad doesn't know anything about postmodernism,,, just blatantly ignorant

Jordan, do you remember in the Bible where Satan takes Jesus high up on the mountain and points down saying, do you see that? thats my Kingdom it belongs to me. If you submit and worship me i will make you the ruler over all of it. that Kingdom is the world we find ourselves in. who built it? why it was the "Buildwrs" who are taught the darkness is the true light who else would it be? every thing they do, plot and plan for is against Nature. People fear what they dont know and they consider you a threat because you dont want to be afraid and the people who listen to you dont want to be afraid either. i can walk it all the way back to the Garden because i had a great Teacher and she never told me any of the answers to my questions. everything is connected....

Its so funny, dr jordan b peterson, professor of toronto,phychology.

Dr. Peterson, a few notes. 1. It is great to hear you having a technical discussion. I would love to (and be willing to support) hear you continue having public discussion of the kind that academics peers previously have had behind closed doors or at annual conferences. 2. You say "I'm not mathematically gifted" then you say "if I can't understand it, then the author hasn't made it clear". As someone with a Ph.D in mathematics, let me reassure you that the vast majority of mathematical books and teaching material is about as opaque as it possible can be. I'm sure you have some theories as to why that might be the case. 3. It is an absolute joy to hear you and Gaad talk about pragmatic epistemology. Almost no-one (at least in my extended circle) even knows what that word means. Yet you and Gaad go through how epistemology works when the rubber hits the world. Please, for the love of God, keep this up.

JBP geing clueless about verifiable facts again _"judiciary has ruled like 60 times against his claims"_ for god's sake JBP, stop talking about things you don't know shit about

As much as I love you JP you both are dead wrong!

Peterson refers to feeling unwell. What has been wrong with him? Is he going to be ok?

Does Jordan love lobsters? All the merch has a lobster print

Again Jordan baffles me at how little homework he's doing on the election. He's literally been attacked by msm and big tech the last 5 years as well. I understand that you have a lot of your money amd income caught up in publishing, yt, and other social media platforms and do nlt want to lose that. However, be careful Mr Peterson that you do not see yourself become the villain after having lived so long as a hero. Edit: i went down the qanon rabbithole due to being locked up by my governemnt with nothing to do for 3 months while watching the tyrannical left rape american democracy. Thank god i didnt bite but it gave me a lot of anxiety and those who are in charge of it are genuine psychopaths. However I will not let go of my theory of election fraud until a court case has been undertaken

Can we get the man a better camera??

Two Greats!!!

Prof. Peterson, please examine the validity of the Nov 2020 Presidential election from a Nomological Network approach. It seems your casual dismissal of the mistrust of more than 75 millions voters in the "certified" results fails to consider the many approaches of evidentiary claims that are the basis of the mistrust.

Hi Jordan so happy you are making a good recovery! Can I suggest a little change - as a small suggestion- could you look at the camera as it seems you are looking at a screen below the camera and this gives the impression you are not looking your audience in the eye - is there a good reason for this? You’re such a super communicator but seems to be ignoring your attentive supportive audience Keep getting stronger and healthier ! Best Supportive Wishes Andy London

Prof. Peterson, please examine what the meaning of "independent observer" and "audit" are. Also, please read the dissent that Justice Clarence Thomas wrote on the most recent SCOTUS decision on the Nov 2020 Presidential election. Then re-examine your thoughts on the credibility of the Nov 2020 Presidential election.

this is about as insightful as a group of sad mushroom-laden kids in their teens.

Thank you thank you thank you thank yoooooooou!

In regards to the list of conspiracies required to believe the election was "FORTIFIED" to "ENSURE" the proper "OUTCOME"... The entire electoral college doesn't need to be corrupted. One simply needs to fortify a few key places. 60 cases claim is a mainstream lie. Trump had 5 or 6 cases. Prior to the election they claimed latches. Meaning there hasn't been any harm yet so you have no case. After the election they claimed standing. Meaning he wasn't the injured party. In no case was any evidence or any merits of the case tried. In the cases Trump's lawyers filed it was all procedural. I would like to know if the article in Time Magazine would change Dr Peterson's opinion. Also I agree that negative dangerous conspiratorial or parasitic ideas are possible to germinate on the right. However I would love an example. Seems to me that the ones that produce the most body bags are from the left. Any that do come from the right. Tend to create offspring with compromised genetic material, which is a self correcting outcome.

Robot Dr. Jordan Peterson, I'm sorry but that audio makes him sound like Kermit doing a bender impression

Peterson should stop interrupting Saad. Just because Peterson "gets" what Saad is saying before he (Saad) is finished his explanation and/or anecdote, doesn't mean that the audience does. I think Peterson sometimes forgets that he's not in a private conversation, and the "obvious" must be (re)stated for the benefit of all listeners.

When I feel like buying a new book I go through new JP podcasts. 2 hours later I've bought 5 of them.

Please talk with Sam Hyde, the strangest comedian, who funnily enough talks about Jung in early skits👏👏👏

The amount of comments talking about the 2 minutes of discussion regarding the election and the slightly higher number of dislikes almost certainly because of that same reason are really ironic coming from the fan base of the man who can't stop talking about parasitic ideas.

Glad Jordan took him to task a bit during this discussion.

It isn't that biology is wrong... it is boring, sober and utterly removed from the reality of experience when discussing matters like sexuality, political problems, social movements, etc. THAT is what postmodernism would state. It is insufficient. He is trying to ascertain postmodernism by a completely antithetical epistemology, and he is conflating. This was very hard to watch. The postmodernism only makes sense really in terms of a literary theory. He is ripping it out if its particular place and expecting things from it which are totally impossible and completely irrelevant to it. Am I wrong to suspect he is just mad that he DIDN'T understand Derrida and Lacan? Don't forget Nietzche and his aesthetics when reading postmodernism! 'Truth' Ahahahahahahahaha good luck. Just listen to Depeche Mode - policy of truth

Michel Foucault... has he read anything by him?

Hey that font being used in the intro is the same one as Dianetics and other books by L. Ron Hubbard which are published by Scientology. I like it though, it's a great font.

Does anyone know what the piece of music is called that Jordan Peterson uses to open and close the episode?

I learned so much from this discussion. It helped me understand and put to rest my experiences in college.

Dr. Peterson, Treat yourself with the utmost concern, like you are somebody you're in charge of bringing back to wholeness. Take a vacation. Play with kids. Make something you've always wanted to make. You're not here to die for us.

I really don't understand how people call the nazi's and the fascists far right, when both were socialist movements. Musolini was a SOCIALIST and so was Hitler. How does that make them far right? To me they were far LEFT unless I'm missing something?

That's a very good question. I'd love to hear JBP answer to that.

Lesfeldick ministries explains church mixes the 2gospels n Robert breaker

If you take away anything from this discussion its the complete un-masking of post modern thinking, and how its an utterly naked lie. Its bullshit right on its face and should never have been given an inch among intelligentsia. In much the same way calling white people evil while benefitting directly from the western world is bankrupt, so too is employing post modernist thinking while insisting its consequentially relevant and necessary. In a world truly built only on language alone consequences themselves could be rewritten, cause and effect itself would cease to be relevant.

Practical conversation 👏👏👏

fly "buildings of bullshit into our edifices of reason" hahaha ! "physicists getting all the pretty women" hohohoho !

I like their discussion there are many interesting ideas but I feel like you have to be a psychology student to comprehend this. Everything after 1:18 was so damn difficult. Watching it for the 3rd time.