The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Season 4 Episode 7: Ayaan Hirsi Ali

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    Ayaan Hirsi Ali and I discuss, among other topics, immigration, the changing safety of women in public (particularly in areas of Europe), clashing values of western cultures and Islam, win-win propositions, and many more career-ending topics.
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    This episode was recorded on Feb 2nd, 2021

Emma Louie
Emma Louie

*Samuel Paty* too. Essentially cultural misogynism is being imported along with immigration & religion. Of course it is. Some cultures completely ignore women, please, this isn't even a question. Women are dehumanized & FGM has always been a fringe topic. There is no male equivalent of FGM, eunuchs were done away with. It's linked with slavery. The woke would say assimilation is racist and supremacism. So basically everybody has to join a class-race-culture-political gang. It's not employment that is an issue, it's the intolerance of the religious fanatics that see people as "others" ironically seeing people as infidels is the same as OTHERING. People are going to "western society/culture" who HATE western society/culture. If "The Western countries" closed borders and retracted from the world the world would complain. I'm here because I've got a Muslim instructor teaching CRT. I feel pretty safe in saying most of the students are clueless of the larger picture of decades of activism, centuries of religious wars, cultural confluence and conflicts.

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Bob Nordstrom
Bob Nordstrom

The World should be listening

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Victor Walter
Victor Walter

Please read till the end of my comment before you reply. Hi Jordan, It is sad to see you debating in a way that poorly thought and researched. This way that radical left does or ideologues do. Although I'm an ex-Muslim, which I acknowledge the issues in Islam and therefore I left it, I see here a clear attempt to say certain things or support certain believes that you have already in your head, instead of having a real debate where two people leave their presuppositions for a while and dig into the literature and the history/present to figure out the truth. This manifested itself when you asked the question if she means that there are Christian/Judaism values which better than the rest. This is the same way that your opponents ask while they already have a point to make, so they making it to look like a question, but it is a statement. We can see also when you asked Ayan "Do you know much about the immigration situation in Canada", she replied that it is bad and made the case that it is happening like Europe but then when you mentioned that you don't see it clearly, she said: "because you select" to make another case. Ironically, if you select well educated people from the middle east, then this means that we have people who educated themselves well, and this contradict with the presupposition that our values produced bad people who can't function in the west and they need to be taught to them and made them adapt! Yes it might be true that we have so much issues, but it is not true at all that we don't have values that we in the middle east produced. Speaking about the values, I'm really hoping to get an answer from you on this: If all the Abrahamic religions, stories from Mesopotamia, Egyptians..etc came from the middle east, and if you are making the case over and over that those stories have spectacular values and meanings, then how those religions, values had to be called western? Is it fair? Where do Jews now living? Isn't in the middle east? Where they were living in the past? in Stockholm or in the middle east? All the stories and the values contained with them are produced in the middle east, so how come and all the sudden they became western? Why? And for what purpose? If we are going to speak about "the west and the rest" argument, or the west and east, then you have to grant the middle east it’s fair truth by saying that all the stories that generated your speech were from the middle east, and religions such as Judaism that was the mother of Christianity came from the middle east and from stories that there produced and thought and written. Middle east produced many civilizations, that till now effective, and stories that ancient Iraqis produced with very interesting content, so please tell me, how is it that their values are western values? unless you speaking about the modern values and not about the foundation of them that you say they are residing in those stories/religions. Islam came to the area for a less than 1500 years, but before that the same area produced many civilizations and participated to the world. Nowadays, you look at us in a way that we have no values, no manners, we treat women bad (although our tribes names were women names, and our gods before Islam were women names), and you need to teach us how to behave or how to have good values! So much to search and to know, even about Islam, how the Quran has been written and gathered as a book, how people there thinking nowadays. We have writers, philosophers, music, art...etc but we see that you don't want to know about them or suddenly they are not that important, but only focus on crazy religious people which they receive support from the west if they take power, so the west can get some oil! That is in Iraq when they gave the power to Islamic parties and supported them. That is when the west sell weapons to Saudi Arabia to kill children in Yemen. I can see how good values those western politicians have, and how good western citizens with values voted to them. By the way, I'm a writer of three books, got threaten for leaving Islam and became a refugee too. The only difference between me and Ayan is that I really want to help and not to say to my own people: "you are bad, I'm good. period" which I see here in this debate: “We are good and have values, you have to adapt!” I'm also differ with her in seeing the west and will not lie to myself by making the case that it is better. I've seen western people hit their women too, beat their children and do many issues that you claim it is only related to us. Also the left treat us as we are suppressed and need to take care of us (so stupid) and right think that we are monkeys came from the jungle and would surprised if we started talking about Nietzsche! I've seen that people don't respect old people, don't have values to family...etc so much of a value crisis that indicates for me a lack of self education and awareness. She doesn't want to address that too to be fair and honest, but just couple of losers who harass women and got caught. Those who could cross the boarders will represent everybody and we need to take them as a measurement for the rest! Let's therefore ask for their ethnicity and where did they come from! More evil is to ask for ethnicity and treat people based on that. You claim that you criticize the radical left for playing on identities and ethnicity, but you seem to me now with this debate that you are agreeing with Ayan that if you arrest someone, you have to know from which ethnicity/country he is! And maybe from which religion. Therefore all preachers are child molesters from Italy or I don't know what!! How this would help making justice if you already have the criminal? To make people represented based on their ethnicity and not based on their individuality? Strange how inside each of us a Nazi guard as you say, which I agree. Yes, I can see the will to be this guard in this debate. Don’t. It’s a bad idea. We have learned our lesson from the Nazi’s/Jews, and now Arabs are the new Jews with the rising of hate and distaste and treat them all the same. Problem will never be solved with this mentality, because you will always run into other ethnicity who do the same, so why we don’t stop looking at each others in this way and start be civil and individuals when it comes to laws and criminals? Can we? Sometimes it's hard to treate groups as individuals as they act as a group, someone will say. Oh yeah, sometimes it's hard to stand for a value that we believe and fail into group identities, I agree. Sad to see a brilliant psychologist that I admire, talking about something he didn’t search very well, however he already made his mind on it! Let’s treat people based on their ethnicity, and lets record that. Then make a generalized picture of a group of people, and treat them as a group. Like this, we put restrictions on groups and pay attention to them, but not on individuals! Very interesting point of view. Ayan, Bravo for asking this type of info, what a heroic way of thinking you have. Jordan, yes only the west has values (from middle eastern stories, religions) and the rest are not. Problems will stay if we keep debating like this and trying to fix people instead of ideas in their head. Thanks, Victor

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Jim Pierce
Jim Pierce

I wonder if she would explode if she sneezed?

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Thomas Calle
Thomas Calle

I was accused of being a white supremacist for posting this video on my Instagram... I simply thought this was interesting discussion... my friend begs to differ because it posses tones of “underlying white supremacy” where in this video is he right? and where is the underlying white supremacy?

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Ricardo Meertens
Ricardo Meertens

I'm dutch and when you need a guard here it mean people want to murder you how is someone that's just says thing like her worse than murdering people like Theo van gogh look at the netherlands now a shit hole were the native Dutch people are secondhand citizens domocracy is a joke here they keep out one of the largest party's. Global Civil War

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Green Homestead
Green Homestead

As a side note, Somalians are very intelligent and most grow up speaking more than 2 languages. If the west stopped bombing the crap out of it or causing civil wars, these people could have a very stable nation with highly educated professionals contributing to their country.

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Green Homestead
Green Homestead

Poor men from unstable backgrounds can prey on women in their own country and elsewhere. I can give you example of immigrant males from non-Muslim countries but poor and uneducated, who can also engage in abuse of women. Actually they don’t have to be immigrant. Poor White neighborhoods, poor black neighborhoods, poor Mexican neighborhoods can also produce predators. It’s socioeconomic instability and perhaps unstable households that can produce similar effects anywhere.

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Mjeeli Abadi
Mjeeli Abadi

I'm an Arab, African and Muslim who's origins are from the countryside of a poor country in Africa, grew up in the wealth of the Arabian gulf and greatly influenced by the west, modernity and globalization. Watching this discussion did nothing but make me feel shameful of the way we as Arabs, Africas and Muslims conduct ourselves. We are clinging so desperately on meaningless values that only increase suffering. I can confidently say that it's not the fault of the west or the fault of colonization that we've reached this point of deterioration on all possible levels, but it's our own fault for adhering to such values that are still bringing destruction and suffering not only to us but now the rest of the world. I do not know how can this be changed, but this discussion successfully ringed loud alarms and waved huge red flags that change is absolutely necessary. I do not know how can this be changed but I know change must start from within. Westerners can't change us, showing us compassion can't change us, speaking to us in English certainly won't change us. Change has to be from ourselves to ourselves. And I will start from myself. I think it is wrong to say that there's a clash of values here, because the values that Dr.Peterson teaches and his 12 rules of life are not alien to the Islamic teachings. He once talked about bridging the gap between Christianity and modernity and wondered whether it's possible to do the same with Islam. I think it is possible and I will take it upon myself to bridge it because I think its the only way. Thank you for this beautiful, enlightening and "too interesting" discussion, Jordan and Ayan. It has been greatly motiviating.

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Amir
Amir

If you want to speak about immigration have an expert to discuss the issue. Not someone speaking only about their personal experience and anecdotes.

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Siren369x Star
Siren369x Star

Ayaan is the queen of REAL feminisme! 👑 she is strong, smart & very brave African girl💪👏

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S H
S H

Thank you so much for interviewing her. Enlightening interview.

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Anna Wick
Anna Wick

@1.08.48 Ayaan says something very important that rarely gets mentioned. The way Western people portray themselves as uniquely racist absolutely has to presume supremacy of white people to even exist. That's why the term white privilege is really telling. You're privileged if you're white, and if you're privileged then you are at the top of the hierarchy looking down on other people. That is the only way no one else can be racist to white people. They believe this to be so true that just having white skin gives advantages, and they hold this to be such a universal truth that they feel justified looking at the whole world that way and criticise people that BLM movements aren't taking place further and wider. All the virtue signalling the left do is related to this, they are saying they recognise that they're so superior that they must be sympathetic they must step back and give other people chances, and this makes them a good person. Other people can't get to those positions through meritocracy at all and as Ayaan points out here other people don't have that level of character for them to be held to the same standards as white people. People have gone so far with racism that I think it's true to say we've almost come round in a full circle. It's very surprising that very little people care about what is happening in Xinjiang or what places like China are doing to the environment, for all the supposed talk of climate change and racism, and it speaks volumes to the mindset of the left in the West, how bad the West is all that matters to them.

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Bryan Peterson
Bryan Peterson

These nations, or states rather, should have the mentality, "you can come here. You behave or you will be dealt with. We don't do that here."

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Rafael Alvarellos
Rafael Alvarellos

this whoman is great ! god bless her!

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Rafael Alvarellos
Rafael Alvarellos

i wish to see JP wrecking liberals with the power of god himself again. since he had his drug thing goin on he seems to be fallen away from god or maybe he was never quite there. god bless you Jordan Peterson.

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Becky York
Becky York

39:45 - 100% agree - and i think that part of the solution includes education... the violence and harm that they are running away from is a result of a cultural value structure that has failed and that the "western values" results in not having internal conflicts; and although the value system in various european states might be a bit wishy washy there are certain things we expect like "don't be an asshole", "mind your manners", "respect people equally", "be kind and courteous"; these are the baseline expectations that are largely unspoken in europe because we're all conforming to them and take them as subconscious social trates and from what I've seen these are pretty strong biases. So the problem is that how do you deal with someone being a dick, without being a dick yourself; and that answer is always education.

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Intrigue Monger
Intrigue Monger

Wow, if deceit and fraud were a person, it would look like Ayaan. How is it the JP doesn't challenge her in any meaningful way?

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Suspendthiscommunistyoutube
Suspendthiscommunistyoutube

What? Can you explain it more?

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monkeyman
monkeyman

9:00min Sadly, while dating, I can say that 2 in 3 of the 20 dates I had gone on, have been sexually interferred with if not complete and utter child abuse. Some talk about it with as dealing with it, others, we cried.

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Julia Dubinsky
Julia Dubinsky

thank you for covering topics like immigration and culture clashes with westernism. this is something I explore with Russian Jewish immigrants, having parents that came from communist culture while I grew up in the democracies of Canada... so hearing this conversation, and how there are culture clashes happening with Islamic people as well is insightful.

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bryan verberg
bryan verberg

Hope you get better

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bts jk
bts jk

Bring muhamad hijab if you dare

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S
S

Moe "Golden Shower" Hijab, you mean?

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Alawi
Alawi

ayaan hirsi ali is actually stupid and a liar LOL

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Alawi
Alawi

@S You made such a bad bet, everyone lies 🤣🤣🤣

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S
S

@Alawi You know exactly what the bet was about. "Oh she lied to her sister about eating the cookies when she was 6 years old". That's the level of lie you gave me. You lost. Get over it.

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Alawi
Alawi

@S let me quote you “Tell me what she lied about, then. I’d bet 100 bucks you can’t do it.” You didn’t mention Islam or anything else you said lied only. And based on what you said exactly i gave you couple of things she lied about which she admitted to. You have lost the bet. The law does not protect the dupes. 😂

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S
S

​@Alawi Nope. This wouldn't "go on forever" because you would be unable to defend your position, in the exact same way you have so far. And don't act like you don't know what you meant when you said Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a liar. You meant that she's lying about Islam. And, as I've just demonstrated, and as you've demonstrated by not being able to defend your position, she's not lying. You'd be utterly delusional to think you were somehow successful in defending your position here. Also, the bet was always about her lying about Islam, not about whether she lied about some other random thing in her personal life. Nice try.

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Alawi
Alawi

@S like I said this could go on forever. I made a comment, you came here and made a bet. You lost. Then you said no it’s different and you wouldn’t admit your loss. I don’t want your money. Just don’t make bets that you can’t keep 😂 If you start something and can’t finish it, why start it in the first place? Keep your hundred bucks and go enjoy your life. At the end YouTube comments doesn’t get you anywhere.

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Thomas Shelby
Thomas Shelby

Ayaan is an intellectual fraud. She presents no concrete data and only point of views based on anecdotal experiences. Its a shame that Jordan didn't grill her enough and interview her like he usually does.

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Suspendthiscommunistyoutube
Suspendthiscommunistyoutube

You sound like a muslim afraid of truth.

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Eloquent Paradox
Eloquent Paradox

She is smart woman. I don't agree completely with her analysis, but this was a great interview. I also really like her manner of speaking; there is something about her cadence, and the way she speaks in general, that is really appealing to me.

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Teacher Paul
Teacher Paul

Jordan doing a great job testing his guest's theories. Asking the hard questions. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is great.

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Manny Simone Cards
Manny Simone Cards

Not sure whats offensive about her lol

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S
S

She pisses off Islamists as well as liberals who buy into Islam being a religion of peace. That's a lot of people.

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Seekthetruth3000
Seekthetruth3000

She is a very brave and wise woman.

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Bluedregs
Bluedregs

Immigration without assimilation is invasion. Slowly but surely western culture is being destroyed.

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Murat ALP
Murat ALP

The value of a women will be best understood inside of Islam. These speaker has no academic background and has no statistics andso.. FIND A MUSLIM ACADEMIC TO SPEAK THESE TOPICS. U choose a dark path Peterson.

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P fireball
P fireball

@Murat ALP you don't need an Islamic academic...all you need is someone that is literate.... you just need to read the Qur'an to see that there are problematic verses.

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Murat ALP
Murat ALP

@P fireball Thank you for reinforcing my statement. Would've indeed lived in a healthier society if we could've implanted this aayah

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P fireball
P fireball

Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by Allah over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what Allah has entrusted them with.1 And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺, ˹if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, ˹but if they still persist,˺ then discipline them ˹gently˺.2 But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great.

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Zohaib Tahir
Zohaib Tahir

Jordan I do enjoy your work on free speech and gender and as a Muslim living in the West I find you a fascinating and important figure. However, if you truly believe in free speech and if you truly want to have a conversation on Islam invite someone on your show who disagrees with you on this topic(Hamza Yusuf or Muhammad Hijab is good). You seem like the type of person who would do that and you’ve said before that you want to do that, so I’m sure you will. But don’t bring on someone who misrepresents and conflates Islam as a religion, with the misinterpretation of Islam by uneducated people, based on her personal experiences rather than a more objective lens, albeit no lens can be truly objective. But at least bring on a scholar of Islam who would have more authority to speak on Islam. She is not the most accurate speaker or critic on Islam.(Let’s hope this doesn’t get deleted because apparently some people were complaining about deleted comments although I hope that’s all internet nonsense).

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Zohaib Tahir
Zohaib Tahir

@lock lock I didn’t know about that. I will look into it before saying anything about Muhammad Hijab. But I think Hamza Yusuf should be fine. I just think he needs to have conversations with Muslims who will defend the Islamic faith, with sound reasoning. It’s all good for Peterson to claim ignorance but there comes a point where the ignorance starts to look purposeful. Although of course I think everyone should realise he is still recovering and so we should be willing to give time. I just really hope he goes on to discuss with moderate Muslim scholars who have an authority on the subject. I think it’d be good for everyone really.

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lock lock
lock lock

Hijab is a joke he was busted recently for harassing someone wife on twitter and making perverted comments on one of his opponent live stream.... I would not associate myself with hijab if I was Peterson

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Meppoy
Meppoy

At some points it physically painful to watch this, since such a horrible question was discussed. Though it's only marks out the importance of the topic. I feel frighten and enlighten by this video. My deep thanks and respect to both the dr. Peterson and his brave guest Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

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YAlX SÅVÅGE
YAlX SÅVÅGE

Well I just can’t listen to him talk. That was gross and annoying I’m sorry. I’m sure he has great things to say I’ll find the transcripts😂

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Ayoub101
Ayoub101

Please Respond to Mohammed Hijab

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gi2121
gi2121

I lived in France and know this question very well. A higer employment rate will not help, or very little. It's a cultural matter. There never was a problem with an european imigration in France; the muslim immigration, on the other hand, and because they are now very numerous, is a big issue. Cultural confrontation all the time, and they trying to impose their values and morals and way of life. At this point, immigration should stop.

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David Quinn
David Quinn

She is brilliant! She is saying it like it is. As a European, we are delighted to welcome people from all parts of the world and all cultures. However, it should be an expectation that our new citizens respect and abide by the our culture and values. I feel confident in this sentiment primarily based on (my own) being an immigrant to 3 other countries (one was UAE). It was self-evident that I had to play by the rules of the game in my new host society. Respect and tolerance should work in all directions.

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WillBillChillKill
WillBillChillKill

religion poisons everything -Hitchens

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Med AYT18
Med AYT18

Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

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SXT FIT
SXT FIT

Her last point about white supremacy and the inability to acknowlegde that other races can inflict atrocity is absolutely insightful.

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Amira
Amira

Dear Jordan Peterson, Why would you not research the Psychological side of Islam? As clinician psychologist it is impossible that you are unable to see how perfectly correct the psychological part of it is for betterment of human life. Who knows us better than our creator?! I humbly invite you to research Islam without bias and without the frame of current political picture.

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Adassker
Adassker

Invite Muhammad Hijab to your podcast

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lock lock
lock lock

You mean the guy who was asking for pervert favor from someone wife?

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vision20
vision20

You have one life to live and live it like it is your last day. People who come to western countries for economic reasons or to live a free secular life should embrace it. Religion should be a private choice. To be a good human being you don't need a religion. Be a kind, caring and compassionate human being and treat others the way that you wanted to be treated. That's the only antidote you need. When you live in a country which, take away your fundamental freedom to think, speak or breath, life becomes unbearable and a way of life. And then the opportunity is given to you to migrate to a secular western country. Thank the universe people, and embrace the secular freedom. You have one life to live. Why do you have to condemn the very country that gave you freedom and safety? Why is it so important to defend and give up your life to a religion and a so called God who is not there to defend you in this life. Is there any guarantee that the God you are praying is going to be there in your after life? People are so worried about after life that they forget to live for the moment. Parents should never impose their religious beliefs or cultural beliefs on children. You just have to teach them or live an exemplary life as a kind, compassionate, humble human being. Children absorb everything. They need guidance, not religious rules to follow. I am talking about every religion. If you want to pray go ahead and pray. Nothing wrong with being spiritual, if it helps you to be a kind human being. But why give up your life and your very existence to defend it. Is it worth while, trying to change and bring destruction to a whole civilization just to preserve your religion? We have a very short span of years to live on this earth. We all should live each day as it is our last. I am glad that Ayaan is brave enough to make her point. It amazes me that we even have to have a discussion about it. Take a deep breath people and smell the roses, be thankful for each day. Life is too short.

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Med Guendouz
Med Guendouz

She believes that terrorists were behind the attack of september 2001 ? 😂

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Michael Lee.
Michael Lee.

I am not sure what the connection is between Islam and sexual assault? I have read a few books on Islam and it’s clear that any kind of sexual expression outside of marriage is considered to be haram (forbidden). Yes, I am aware that in the past Muslim men could have sex with slaves, but since there are no longer any slaves the point is rather moot. So, if Islam forbids sexual expression of any kind outside of marriage, how can Islam be implicated in the crimes committed by some Muslim men?

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Med AYT18
Med AYT18

Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

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Dan Blanchard
Dan Blanchard

This is an amazing woman. A brave person. Thanks for having her on Dr Peterson.

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David Logan
David Logan

2.3k muslim and lefty nutters have given thumbs down.

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Med AYT18
Med AYT18

Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

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David Logan
David Logan

You're only supposed to blow the bladdy daws off. - michael caine- 😂

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K Iss
K Iss

She is amazing. @ about 1hr 7min she talks about looking at all of history and it's white supremacy to only hold white people to high moral standards and not others...the implication is that those other people just can't meet those standards...so that is why they aren't held to them. Ouch. Meritocracy again. That is an idea that's too hard to bear for most people.

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Matthew Baldwin
Matthew Baldwin

Pro Found

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Med AYT18
Med AYT18

Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

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Yuwati Blade
Yuwati Blade

My generation was not taught how to think, but remember what I was taught. Now we should make moral decisions and most of just stand still with a finger in our mouths. Reap what you sow.

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artist1402
artist1402

The West, especially in the last few centuries have committed crime of unprecedented scale owing to their expansionist mindset. One of the Countries that has suffered the most from Islamic Invasion and Western Colonisation is India. Millions of Indian lost their lives. Resources worth $45 trillion dollar were looted from the country. Their culture and religion were challenged, nay, destroyed. They kept fighting for centuries to get their land back and when they rightfully got their Country back; the resentment was over. My own country, Mauritius, was under British rule for about 150 years. We have heard and read about the atrocities of the White Man. However, when we gain independence, the resentment was over. To put it very mildly, we have forgiven completely but not forgotten; yet there is no resentment. The West should atone for all the atrocities it brought at the doorsteps of so many countries. However, that does not mean that in the guise of atonement and to whitewash your collective guilt, you should turn a blind eyes to the impending issues at your doorstep. Protect your borders, protect your Countries and protect your culture. Western Universities are becoming places of propaganda; protect your Education system. On a lighter note, as for the atonement, we have waited for many years and we do not mind waiting for some more.

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a_jawz
a_jawz

Polygamy is more culturally acceptable in African and Arab Muslim countries but it is not culturally acceptable in South Asian Muslim countries. The population of South Asian Muslim countries is far larger than all the Arab, African Muslim countries combined. So, I don't agree with the statement that polygamy is the problem, polygamy may be a problem in those specific countries or the micro communities from which those immigrants are. The point to be made is if you look at the broader picture sexual assault is not an Islam thing it's committed by men all over the world no matter where they're from. The difference is Ayaan Hirsi wouldn't be on Jordan Peterson's podcast if she wasn't speaking against her people. That being said I think she's doing a great job of holding Muslim men accountable for their actions and is very brave for speaking up.

16 күн мурун
Med AYT18
Med AYT18

Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

12 күн мурун
That guy
That guy

Great job on generalizing Muslim men based off of anecdotal evidences...

15 күн мурун
SpaceCake
SpaceCake

Ayaan fled Islam yet sadly Muslim fundies follow her to this day, even on youtube where every video of hers gets downvotes. They really are a tragic breed

16 күн мурун
Shahid Said
Shahid Said

first of all, she didn't flee from anything her story is complete bs she came from Kenya. secondly, if someone is lying about you and as a result you are vilified wouldn't you be angry too? sounds to me you'd rather live in your own echo chamber and listen to her BS which btw isn't even researched under her own admission.

15 күн мурун
Theunis Louis Botha
Theunis Louis Botha

What a woman!

16 күн мурун
secular value
secular value

The Islamic world can be viewed as an onion-layered multiple dictatorship: the dictatorship of political dynasties like the Mubarak, Gaddafi, Hussein, Ben Ali, and Assad families forms its first layer; the dictatorship of the military, the next; after that, that the dictatorship of religion, which determines how children are raised and educated; and finally, the dictatorship of society, which impacts life within families through archaic gender roles. Hamed Abdel-Samad

16 күн мурун
Young Samzzzy
Young Samzzzy

Human rights are not real. There should be civil rights, migrant rights and refugee rights. What do we know about what rights God gave us?

17 күн мурун
dump man
dump man

@Young Samzzzy ok, i get your point....you could be right about that...

16 күн мурун
Young Samzzzy
Young Samzzzy

@dump man wasn't talking about god. I believe we're ignorant of what himan rights should be so we should stick with citizen and non-citizen rights.

16 күн мурун
dump man
dump man

@Young Samzzzy there are no reason to believe in the existance of a god that is not a creature of human imagination

16 күн мурун
dump man
dump man

@Young Samzzzy well, for now we are the only one that we know capable to do it, at least untill we dont create a machine who do that for us (maybe we have already do it).... you can try to ask god again....but it will be still your ouw voice or someone else...

16 күн мурун
Young Samzzzy
Young Samzzzy

@Rebel Raccoon What a human is entitled to for simply existing can't be determined by humans themselves. What the hell do we know?

16 күн мурун
Alberto Costa
Alberto Costa

"It is very difficult to assimilate if you are not confident in your own values" Oh my god, this woman is AMAZING!!

17 күн мурун
Alberto Costa
Alberto Costa

@Med AYT18 yeah well maybe... I will not get into that debate because there really isn't a solution that doesn't diminish someone.

12 күн мурун
Med AYT18
Med AYT18

@Alberto Costa well it sure that the west have some good things but as you have sayed we all need God (it use also in Islam) to find out the ultimate truth so we should look to find out the True religion for that purpose

12 күн мурун
Alberto Costa
Alberto Costa

@Med AYT18 I think that objectivity is very hard to achieve for humans. That's why we turn to God or Allah. After all, if we were truly objective, we wouldn't need an all powerful being to show us the truth. We are all biased. I understand yours and Mohammed's points. The egocentricity of the West, the arrogance, their fake liberalism and feminism makes me want to puke. But... not all is bad. The West, like many other cultures, has also brought us some good things. I'll just give you 2: Social security snd healthcare. We take care of the sick and the old. True in a very unpersonal and systematic way, but we try not to leave anyone behind. A second one is that we try to not be at each others neck. Not in a physical sense. Even if we get into heated debates, we don't go to war. Maybe that's the good that came out of the 2 wars: we know that working together, even if we disagree, is better than fighting. I guess what I'm trying to say is: we should not through out the baby with the bath water.

12 күн мурун
Med AYT18
Med AYT18

@Alberto Costa i respect your authenticity but we should try to find The truth not defending it just because we have born in a certain culture watch his lectures about liberalism and feminism and some debates his was tufs and angry but in his lectures and debates his clarify his opinion with a lot of arguments and may Allah guide us all to the truth

12 күн мурун
Alberto Costa
Alberto Costa

@Med AYT18 I watched Mohammed's response and I found a lot insults, not many arguments. I do not pretend to know Islam, but however, I do know Europe, America and the West, very very well. Mohammed is promoting and defending Islam. I respect that. He should defend his people and he is right to do so. The point is, the west has lost the will of standing-up for itself. A westerner is incapable of defending his people in the way that Mohammed did. If you cannot defend the legacy of your ancestors, you are not a worthy individual in my opinion. That is my point. And you know what? I think that Mohammed Hijab would totally agree with that.

12 күн мурун
Justin W
Justin W

We are in the process of deconstructing and giving our Western countries away

17 күн мурун
Jeff Kitson
Jeff Kitson

The scary thing is that if you go over to certain parts of YouTube, the level of deep hatred, resentment and violent misogyny directed towards this woman is actually astounding. I will let you guess which online communities I am alluding to.

17 күн мурун
Jeff Kitson
Jeff Kitson

@Ali Adam Whatever we disagree on, I hope we can all find a way to live together in harmony on this planet, regardless of our race, colour, creed or beliefs. Islam obviously works for you, so who I am to judge.

15 күн мурун
Jeff Kitson
Jeff Kitson

@Ali Adam yea I suppose I caved, I can't always be civil. Peace to you as well brother.

15 күн мурун
Ali Adam
Ali Adam

@Jeff Kitson WOW! It really felt like a very respectful and civil conversation. I wasn't judging you based on anything and I was expecting the same from you. But the fact that you don't know anything about me except that I'm Muslim and Pakistani. You put me in a box, just like Hirsi does to 1.8 billion Muslims, and start insulting me and calling me backward. In this whole conversation, I haven't insulted Hirsi or you even once. Things are not black and white. The world is complex and human are even more complex. (Since your like philosophy you should know about "burden of proof" or "Hitchen's razor") I'm just disappointed, really. May you find peace away from this hatred and misunderstanding.

15 күн мурун
Jeff Kitson
Jeff Kitson

@Ali Adam And the fact you have an ideological blind spot as to the reasons your country suffers from so much terrorism is a perfect example of why you can't really see the woods through the trees. Islam is not final, it is an ideology created by men, and therefore not perfect, despite how much you want to believe it has all the answers.

15 күн мурун
Jeff Kitson
Jeff Kitson

@Ali Adam Your comment and whole attitude to a woman speaking out is a perfect example of your backwards way of viewing the world. You just can't handle a free thinking woman, or person, and it drives you crazy. The weight of modernity is falling upon you and all you can do is cling to your religious texts and holy books that were written to control the masses hundreds of years ago. I bet you would even die for these ideas. I pity you. But good luck to you my friend, keep fighting your fight, you'll likely lose eventually, from within or outside, but only you can decide how far you will take it personally. I have enjoyed this conversation even though we disagree on so much.

15 күн мурун
DaBaby Convertible
DaBaby Convertible

18:43-18:47 kids when they try to swear

17 күн мурун
TheLondoner789
TheLondoner789

JBP, I lost respect for you here

17 күн мурун
Nic holas
Nic holas

The only problem with this episode is that it wasn’t long enough.

17 күн мурун
Legacy4magic
Legacy4magic

does anyone know why they disliked this conversation? right or left? binary? what possible reason do you have to dislike an amazing dialogue? hurts your strawman that peterson is racist?

17 күн мурун
Jeff Kitson
Jeff Kitson

@Med AYT18 Thank you brother, that guy seems interesting. I will check him out some more, always interested in the pursuit of knowledge in what ever form it takes.

12 күн мурун
Med AYT18
Med AYT18

Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

12 күн мурун
Jeff Kitson
Jeff Kitson

@That guy I guess I just caved, I find it hard to always be civil. Peace to you brother, I hope we can all figure out a way to live on this planet in harmony together.

15 күн мурун
That guy
That guy

@Jeff Kitson plus this is honestly a red herring. I was responding to your first point about why people dislike her and this video and all of the reasons I posted are the main and most common contentions people have with her which you glossed over. I want you to address the fact that she uses hasty generalization against the Muslims, provided anecdotal evidences and is a serial liar who has lied on multiple occasions to benefit herself.

15 күн мурун
That guy
That guy

@Jeff Kitson Yupik said a lot but you didn’t back your claims. Why do you think those guys are intellectual lightweights compared to Ali. They both, ESPECIALLY Adnan are much more qualified to talk about Islam than Ali so I don’t know what your talking about

15 күн мурун
Nick Evans
Nick Evans

She made literally everything up lmao

18 күн мурун
Med AYT18
Med AYT18

Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

12 күн мурун
Rey Nemaattori
Rey Nemaattori

As a Dutch guy, I remember her rise to political fame out of nowhere. I was too young and too uneducated to realize what was going on, but in hindsight, I think Ayaan was pretty spot on from the beginning about the threats coming from religious extremism and how the leftist view of all 'cultures are equal' is a pretty dangerous assumption. Now, some 10-15 years later, we're seeing the fruits of not acting accordingly back then manifest in western society...and it's not good. We're destroying ourselves from within, distracted by bickering over race, gender, identity while more nefarious ideologies and religious are slowly taking over. For what it's worth: " Het spijt me dat we destijds niet naar je waarschuwingen hebben geluisterd, Ayaan."

18 күн мурун
Gopal Ramanathan
Gopal Ramanathan

Superlative discussion. Hats off to Gordon and Ayan.

18 күн мурун
Med AYT18
Med AYT18

Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

12 күн мурун
Farmschool Chicks
Farmschool Chicks

A bit disappointed with this interview. It seem Ayaan was rocked back on her heels a lot, like perhaps she wasn’t prepped by the Peterson team beforehand? I would have liked to hear Jordan’s take on the idea that consistently labeling non-Westerners as victims is it’s own form of supremacy.

18 күн мурун
Geert Kok
Geert Kok

If you cannot talk justice there is no justice...

18 күн мурун
Geert Kok
Geert Kok

Holland misses Ayaan. Happy to view these two great hero's ... Stay blessed!

18 күн мурун
Zeyna Nd
Zeyna Nd

Loved 1.05 with JBP reverbalization at 1:9 what do you think? humans are quite ironic in every perspective. its almost like a sequential thing

5 күн мурун
Ismat Sadat
Ismat Sadat

Peace be upon you jordon i saw a few of your videos really liked them just a brotherly advice for you pls read the quran with english translations before listening to these people read the book and will see the real side of islam i am originally from Afghanistan i have seen people and lived with them everything she says is the complete opposite of what muslims r and read the book just for knowledge and quran says everything about now days people as well so please read it saying this because i really like u and most u of videos says what it says in quran

18 күн мурун
Hassan Sazid
Hassan Sazid

Why would you invite her? Invite someone who is not a Fraud and have some knowledge on this field.

19 күн мурун
Cornelius Mwanza
Cornelius Mwanza

Urhobo from Nigeria say, “When the roots of a tree begin to decay, it spreads death to the branches”

19 күн мурун
David Logan
David Logan

Meaning? In context of this dialogue i mean.

15 күн мурун
John Franklin
John Franklin

The penitent tip additionly yawn because atm unequivocally remain next a ethereal star. wacky, private daniel

19 күн мурун
Sasha Wallis
Sasha Wallis

Hello Dr. Peterson, I thoroughly enjoy your lectures and podcasts. After listening to this podcast, I stumbled upon a Muslim man who is very passionate about his religion and values. He took his shot at rebutting this podcast, as well as he has with others in the past. The man’s name and channel is Mohammed Hijab and I think you and him would have a fascinating conversation, and I think the your audience would also enjoy it. From the sounds of it, there is a lot you disagree about, so if you are not ready for that type of discussion yet, that is totally warranted. Anyways, thank you for all you do, I’m glad you are back to challenge much of our toxic culture and in better spirits.

19 күн мурун
Eiman Al Zaabi
Eiman Al Zaabi

She’s an emotionally abused, traumatized and resentful person, I don’t understand how she’s given all this attention! She doesn’t deserve it! Her resentfulness in her speaking and writing doesn’t make what she says true and we shouldn’t give it any validity! Be careful who you get the information from Mr. Peterson.

19 күн мурун
J WDE
J WDE

Two of my favorite people

19 күн мурун
Wan Fatin Suryanie WA
Wan Fatin Suryanie WA

Dear Dr.Peterson , I've benefited a lot from your work and I thank you for that , but I hope to see you be consistent with the values that you believe in you should at least be fair to the Muslim community by inviting a real academic whose grounded with knowledge in Islamic Sciences to discuss matters as intelectual as you have always been..as a Muslim who found my greatest and liberation in my Islam like most of Muslims if you care to reach out to some of us, Im saddened by this biased , unsupported by academic grounding...Listen to truth from all fronts dear Dr..may God guide you before its too late

20 күн мурун
Sohaib Babeker
Sohaib Babeker

I think he's afraid

19 күн мурун
heba alhawsaui
heba alhawsaui

I just dont like this much... when she talked about Islam, she speaked just spontainus judjments knowing that Jordan do not know as much about Islam it self. I think its time for Joradn peterson to at least read about Islam and not hear about it from some people who clmae to know it all when they only know how they feel about their own experince of Islam. I mean Jordan him self faced a lot of hatered despite his pure intentions, what makes that not simmiler to what is going on with Islam or prophet Muhammad. She needs to feel lucky as such a great man called her a friend!

20 күн мурун
g boy
g boy

Islam rule the world now ,all women should where hijabs

20 күн мурун
Stephanie
Stephanie

Increadible interview

20 күн мурун
A. P.
A. P.

I love having you back, sir! We have missed you desperately. Please continue to take care of yourself and your beautiful family. Sending love and prayers

20 күн мурун
Dream High Animation
Dream High Animation

Jordan.p ...,please interview aa real muslim

20 күн мурун
B H
B H

Dr. Peterson... I have one potential small indicator as to why women are doing this more... you have said before women read more fiction books then men... could that be an indicator they’re more likely to believe they too can live a fictitious life?

20 күн мурун
KenjiWatanabe1
KenjiWatanabe1

51:28 just to cut through all the pain I'm feeling listening to this conversation and to throw in some humor, my way of dealing with the despair of the discussed topics: I'd like to see this same level of, more or less, on time service with doctors. Our appointment is at 3 o'clock, I rearrange my entire day to arrive on time, even 10 minutes earlier, and the staff tells me to take a seat and wait. It then basically results in an actual appointment of 3:30 or 3:40. Now I'm joking of course haha! I do realize that there are things happening in the background outside of the control of the doctor. Still I'd LOVE to see the day I arrive and after 5 minutes top am ready to be accommodated. I think we all had nightmare appointments where we waited for 3 hours like me. Give us some of that dutch bus stop western efficiency, please, silly medical "professionals"! =).

20 күн мурун
Maria Perez
Maria Perez

So, all the comments of peaceful muslims debating this one sided manipulative far right interview got deleted, huh?! Now we know Peterson's agenda!

20 күн мурун
C Shaffrey
C Shaffrey

No? Sort by new, there's loads of comments calling her a fraud and worse

6 күн мурун
PacoKlax
PacoKlax

What a pathetic way to fulfill an agenda, inviting a well know serial liar, a fraud and like all the fake ex-muslim extremist already invited here who never accomplished anything intellectualy tangible... I used to have respect for Jordan P but now its gone... Why did he never invited a traditionalist muslim? Thats a shame to realise that the man turned out to be phony

20 күн мурун
love all
love all

What is the solution for mess up countries , just gonna get worst

20 күн мурун
g boy
g boy

No hope for near future

20 күн мурун
My Name Is
My Name Is

After this podcast do anyone recommend me to read the Autobiography of Malcom X?

20 күн мурун
Sohaib Babeker
Sohaib Babeker

Yes .

19 күн мурун
w oke
w oke

Forget about bringing on M Hijab, he is a fraud applauded by fraudsters.

20 күн мурун
XUAN玄
XUAN玄

I feel like there’s a lot of value to jordan Peterson taking on the role of interviewer because it allows his way of thinking to create perspectives on new ideas and issues rather than just repeating the same topics. It’s also rare for someone of this caliber to be an interviewer, who brings out gems in interviewees that few others can 👍

21 күн мурун
Am Azizi
Am Azizi

But he couldn't do a search on her? She admitted to the Dutch parliament that she fabricated her story. That's why she is not welcome anymore in the Netherlands. Let's not blind follow people but ask them questions when they make huge mistakes. There is something off about Dr. Peterson nowadays.

7 күн мурун
Med AYT18
Med AYT18

Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

12 күн мурун
iremdilek
iremdilek

you can't even wear a skirt in Turkey anymore... way too many illegal immigrants and nonexistent integration policy

21 күн мурун
Laura Matuszak
Laura Matuszak

She brilliantly speaks of the bigotry of low expectations. It seems like he hasn’t heard of that concept before.

21 күн мурун
Steph Felis
Steph Felis

Go hard sister. You are a legend. A true beacon of decency and courage.

21 күн мурун
Dunida Somalida
Dunida Somalida

Ayan is liar she dont have any knowledge about islam to speak truth, she want get money from naive european and usa islamaphobes nothing more, she is my cousin i know the truth, somali women and somalis in general are free people whom dont afraid to express them selves or live live they wish.

21 күн мурун
Matt J. Owens
Matt J. Owens

As an American straight white male with a girlfriend whom I love very much this is why I firmly believe that all women should learn how to protect themselves utilizing martial arts and/or a subcompact handgun.

22 күн мурун
Med AYT18
Med AYT18

Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

12 күн мурун
sergio calatayud
sergio calatayud

Somehow I get the feeling that this talk will be regarded as historically important in the future.

22 күн мурун
A. P.
A. P.

This is the only place you can find a conversation of this caliber. I hope it's the first of many

20 күн мурун
JOYCE CLEMONS
JOYCE CLEMONS

..."and many more career-ending topics". Love this jab.

22 күн мурун
Darin Douglas
Darin Douglas

Puritanical narcissist are the woke.

22 күн мурун
Simon Huggins
Simon Huggins

Most profound part here was Ayaan's statement (paraphrasing) that freedom to be held responsible equally for cultural misdeeds should be universal, not just the providence of the west. Otherwise it's just more of the same colonial attitude of "they can't help it, they are savages" which is, as Jordan said, darkly humorous (or as I am thinking, ironic). A great, thought provoking discussion. Welcome back, Dr Peterson - Gratifying to have that Jordan sized hole being filled again!

22 күн мурун
Graeme Woods
Graeme Woods

brilliant

22 күн мурун
Med AYT18
Med AYT18

Look to MOHAMMED HIJAB CHANNEL he have respond to her and he talk about liberalism and islam and feminism and islam i think it will help you to understand this topics and get a clear view of islam

12 күн мурун
Adam Droubi
Adam Droubi

You truly will not understand what Ayan is saying unless you have lived what she is talking about. she is brilliant you just cannot comprehend the nature of this topic unless you have seen what she has seen and lived what she has lived. Imagine calling a black African woman whom has literally experienced the ultimate pain she has a racist or a bigot . her and Gad Saad along with Peterson are just brilliant minds who are so understated.

23 күн мурун

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